8/8/07

Where was Bud?

Last night’s breaking of the Hank Aaron record by BALCO Barry is a shame and a shame. To me it just points out that this is entertainment not sport. It is actually theater of the absurd. Let hear it for flaxseed oil! By the way Bud was hiding somewhere with his other crone owners counting the attendance dollars accrued by all of this.

21 Comments:

At 8/8/07, 9:43 AM, Anonymous tlanger said...

I caught the homerun "live" by accident and it seemed surreal they stopped the game and made such a spectacle; seriously, the only reason the commissioner wasn't there is he KNOWS the truth. It’s pretty clear Selig is privy to inside information that Bonds is guilty of using performance enhancement drugs or he’d have shown up to bask in the glory. The circumstantial evidence is obvious, but Selig’s no-show makes me believe there’s more heat coming Bond’s way in the near future. Anyhow, watching Bond’s last night I couldn’t help but ponder if the greatest player I ever saw will be sitting in jail when Arod makes a charge at his record…of course, we’ll likely have lurid allegations and “proof” Arod is on drugs too by the time that happens….

Vern, did you SEE a lot of usage in your baseball days?

Todd Langer

 
At 8/8/07, 12:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not a Barry Bonds fan by any means.
BUT Once again, TODD..."Allegations".

Jail for what? That Bonds lied.

The government will spend $20 million dollars and MLB will spend another $20 million dollars on the Mitchell investigation to prove that Bonds lied. $40,000,000.00 to catch a guy that lied. Let's say he will sit in jail for max because he lied. $40,000,000.00 is justified to catch a liar.

Why don't fans want Sheffield's record to have an asterisk next to all of his records, or have him banned? Because he was truthful? How about Giambi? There are no talks of Roger Clemens head size has grown since his younger days. Give me a break.

What you think Ruth was an angel? He broke the law - Prohibition - in his days.

60s and 70s and still. Speed, and caffeine...they aren't performance enhancement?

NOT A BOND FAN

 
At 8/8/07, 1:04 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Totally agree with "NOT A BONDS FAN".

Also, has anybody done a diamond size comparison the last 5 years compared to the older parks? The new parks are certainly smaller, but how much?

Why pick on Starry? Every good "entertainment" movie has a "villian"!

Jeff
Buffalo

 
At 8/8/07, 1:27 PM, Anonymous tlanger said...

Perhaps I missed something, but committing perjury in front of a grand jury will land you in jail.

I don't see the logic in letting him go, because of the legal costs involved. That’s a VERY slippery slope indeed.

ANYONE who took illegal drugs should pay the penalty, but it’ll also have to be done on a case-by-case basis to ensure a fair process.

Hmmm. Ruth, huh. It seems you’re not acknowledging the need to evolve as a society and would handle the current performance enhancement drug “epidemic” based upon precedents set in the days of prohibition. Also, I think it’s important to clarify that illegal drug use, drug use for enhanced performance, and lying to the grand jury are three separate entities.

Regarding speed and caffeine being performance enhancement, it depends where you personally draw the line; however, I think you’ll be hard-pressed to find many people who equate them to HGH.

Todd Langer
www.balance2posture.com

 
At 8/8/07, 3:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Todd
When was steroids illegal in the United States?

When was steroids a banned substance in MLB?

Don't look up on line to find out the answer.

So if using illegal steroids should land you in jail? Correct? Then why Sheffield not in jail or banned...or suspend from baseball?
Rafael Palmeroid lied to the grand jury, then why aren't the feds going after him?

Here is a latest one to justify catching Bonds not just lying to the feds, but tax evasion on all of his signing engagements.

"It depends where you personally draw the line", let's get real with that Todd. Hey cheating is cheating? Drawing the line. There is no drawing the line.

You know that Bonds took HGH personally? Greg Anderson came out and told Bonds took HGH.

Yeah, look at his head and body. It got bigger. Yes, the human body stays the same shape from the age of 21 until you are dead.

We'll talk more Todd

Not a BOND Fan

 
At 8/8/07, 3:04 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do you think fans come to games? To see singles being hit.

Jeff, I agree also. There are no defense in the games in anymore. Move the fence in so more home runs.

Basketball, there are no hand check.

Football, secondary can not lay a hand on a receiver literally.

Hockey, goal line is moved out so defense can not set a trap. Why? keep the puck moving?

Not a BOND Fan

 
At 8/8/07, 3:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a former pitcher I'm just waiting for a pitcher to come out there one day throwing 110-120 mph.

 
At 8/8/07, 3:59 PM, Anonymous tlanger said...

Off the top of my head, steroids have been illegal for 20 years, or so, because bodybuilder’s used them openly in the 70’s and early 80’s. They were also banned from baseball for quite awhile, but not really tested or in other words the owners were looking the other way to make money…

I don’t subscribe to a black and white viewpoint on “cheating” or stealing signs is the same as taking HGH. There is moral relativity involved; it’s not realistic to state otherwise….

I don’t think using steroids or HGH for that matter should land you in jail, but do think lying to a grand jury should! Again, this means for EVERYONE and you seem to be using the lack of heat on Sheffield/Palmerio to mean Bond’s should be left alone as well….

To be clear: the Feds are after Bonds more than anyone, because he’s almost antagonizing them to catch him if they can and this means they will look at taxes and anything else. It’s how they nabbed Al Capone (tax evasion) and it’s not a minor discretion in this particular instance. If he left himself open, even if it’s something the avg. Joe would do, he’ll pay a heck of a lot more for it….

Let’s see…Greg Anderson, and others, admitted the Cream WAS NOT flaxseed oil, but rather HGH…Bonds admitted to a grand jury he took the cream, but thought it was flaxseed….now, you’re telling me it doesn’t matter if Bond’s won’t admit he knew it was HGH? It was HGH either way and yes, that means he took it…you can try to argue it was unintentional, but how realistic is that….

My BIGGEST issue with this whole story is that ESPN is playing both sides of the fence and “reporting” the news and also drooling at Bonds feet…it’s a complete joke….

Todd Langer
www.balance2posture.com

 
At 8/8/07, 4:09 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

finally a journalism agency that will give BOTH sides of the story!! way to go ESPN.

 
At 8/8/07, 5:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

WWE anyone? Let them all fill up their bodies with toxins and jump to the moon! We will have the toxic athlete league and the non-toxic athlete league.

They are all lab-rats running around a maze as we cheer them on betting whos liver will give out first.
God bless them all!

 
At 8/8/07, 5:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

We don't want them drug free because we care about them. We want them drug free because we care about the sport, we want the sport pure. This is a societal problem not a sport problem. In one breath society say that people should have the right to euthanize themseves but we complain about how they do it. So what if they kill themselves with steroids. The truth is we don't care about them we care about the purity of the sport.

 
At 8/8/07, 9:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

WOW!!!
Sheffield is up to bat, and Schilling is pitching. Schilling flips his index finger at the catcher indicating a curve ball is coming. Sheffield will call a time out, and says, "hey I know what pitching is coming...so just call it a strike because I feel that is cheating because I saw the sign".

Manning taps his helmet and the cornerback picks up a sign as a hitch pass. The cornerback will just say to himself, "you know what, that is cheating I will not intercept the ball, I will let the receiver catch it because it is the right thing to do".

Picking up or "stealing" signs is part of the game not morality.

 
At 8/8/07, 9:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anabolic steroids was placed as a controlled substances act in 1991 (I think I can be legally obtained through prescription from a doctor or team doctor).

Anabolic Steroid Control Act didn't take place until 2005.

MLB did not have an official policy on steroid use before 2002. Ofcourse in 2003 policy was Ka-ka, MLB agree to a new policy in 2005; BUT that is another whole ball game.

TC

 
At 8/8/07, 9:53 PM, Anonymous tlanger said...

"Picking up or "stealing" signs is part of the game not morality."

I think whoever namelessly posted this missed the point of the original post; a runner on second base telling the hitter the next pitch is "stealing a sign" and it's considered cheating; however, IT'S NOT on the same level as taking HGH. A cornerback "sneaking" close to the offense to hear the huddle talk is cheating, but it's not on the same level as taking HGH.

Todd Langer

 
At 8/9/07, 7:20 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So Todd you are sitting at a poker table. All night you been looking at your opponent. You noticed that each time he bluff his nostril flares. He goes all in against you. You tell yourself, "oh that is cheating...so I better fold my full house hand".

A cornerback 'sneaking' close to the offense to the huddle talk is cheating? No Todd, get your offensive huddle back further than 8 yards...or change your code or mode of speech.

Rickey Henderson, Lou Brock, Maury Wills et al, were all cheater because they stole signs. All of their records should have an asterisk next to their names because they stole signs from the catchers.

Pitch outs should not occur because it is cheating.

Blitzing should not occur because it is cheating.

Sorry Todd, but a runner on second base telling the hitter the next pitch is "stealing a sign" IS NOT CHEATING. Its called game smart because the catcher is stupid enough to give away a sign to a base runner.

Did you ever PLAY Todd?

Anthony Thomas
aka Not a BOND Fan

 
At 8/9/07, 10:40 AM, Anonymous tlanger said...

Nice to meet you, Anthony.

Let see…

“So Todd you are sitting at a poker table. All night you been looking at your opponent. You noticed that each time he bluff his nostril flares. He goes all in against you. You tell yourself, "oh that is cheating...so I better fold my full house hand".

Umm…never said that and your analogy doesn’t hold any water…a more accurate depiction of what I stated would be if your friend was standing behind them and telling you their cards! Yes, that’s cheating in my opinion, but you might feel it’s just a competitive advantage.

“A cornerback 'sneaking' close to the offense to the huddle talk is cheating? No Todd, get your offensive huddle back further than 8 yards...or change your code or mode of speech.”

This is debatable, but my point was it’s further along the line/continuum than a CB reading a QB’s eyes from afar…does this distinction make sense? It hankers back to my original point that there is relativity, or degrees, involved and all cheating is not the same…some is gamesmanship…some is worse…get it?

“Rickey Henderson, Lou Brock, Maury Wills et al, were all cheater because they stole signs. All of their records should have an asterisk next to their names because they stole signs from the catchers.

Pitch outs should not occur because it is cheating.

Blitzing should not occur because it is cheating.”

NO ONE has ever mentioned asterisks; plus, if you mean for SB records it would be irrelevant, because they’d be stealing signs after the SB or in other words what exactly is your point?

I'm moving on...thanks for the rhetoric.

Todd Langer

 
At 8/9/07, 11:43 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Todd
"Competitive Edge", what athlete doesn't seek for it? If they didn't seek for it, they would not train to get stronger, and faster.
If that is cheating in your opinion, then they should not train to get the competitive edge.

Obviously you never played the game. Thanks for your morality of gamemanship. That is why you do what you do. Thank You for your opinion and rhetoric. Spending $40 million dollars to catch a liar. While Palmeroid, McGuire continues to bask in the sun. I guess that is worth it in your book. What happened to Jason Grimsley? What really happened to Jason Grimsley?

Here is a question for you...what is Bond head size at the age of 24 and now. DO YOU KNOW? Sure you do, Bond's head is much bigger now, his body is bigger now. Ofcourse you do know all the facts because you just regurgitate what all journalist reports.

Anthony

 
At 8/9/07, 11:58 AM, Anonymous tlanger said...

I wasn’t going to post again, but can’t help myself.

Re: Competitive Edge
I was being sarcastic about having a “spotter” tell you someone else’s cards and it given you the “competitive edge”, it’s cheating; period.

We might just have a different opinion on where to draw the line. Fair enough.

Re: Bonds
I have REPEATEDLY stated ALL of them need to be prosecuted the SAME way. I cringe when thinking Mac, Palmiero, and for the most part other WHITE athletes aren’t being treated the same way as Bonds, BUT that doesn’t mean Bonds should be let off the hook.

Re: Regurgitation
That is a low blow, because what is reality if we believe NOTHING we read or hear or see…not everything is propaganda…as I’ve stated ESPN is a joke, but leaked grand jury testimony is real…ironically, it’s not fair, or even legal, that it was leaked to make Bonds look bad, but it’s still real.

Todd Langer

 
At 8/9/07, 2:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

TODD LANGER SAID...

"Umm…never said that and your analogy doesn’t hold any water…a more accurate depiction of what I stated would be if your friend was standing behind them and telling you their cards! Yes, that’s cheating in my opinion, but you might feel it’s just a competitive advantage"

... but TODD your friend is not playing in the game, he is a FANatic.

Did you ever play?

 
At 8/9/07, 8:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Todd

1. You haven't answer THE question. "Competitive Edge", what athlete doesn't seek for it!?! Why weight train..!? To get stronger, bigger and faster than your opponent...a "competitive edge", right? Is that cheating then because it gives the athletes a competitive edge over the opponents?

2. Help me out here because I'm not that intelligent. So Peyton Manning is cheating when he reads the defensive back giving away a sign that a blitz is coming...OR is it cheating when he audibles for the RB to pick up the blitz because he knows that blitz is coming?


3. So when Serena Williams noticed that each time Maria Sharapova slides closer to the baseline for backhand slice, Serena moves to the net to counter the backhand slice, then that is cheating?

4. You lied when you said you were moving on.

Anthony

 
At 8/9/07, 9:42 PM, Anonymous tlanger said...

Anthony,

I’ve given you thorough explanations on EVERY TOPIC; so, apparently your self described lack of intelligence wasn’t meant to be facetious. The ONLY reason I’m posting this is to ask you to stop turning this blog into a place for ridiculous comments or crusades against common sense. For some odd reason you can’t differentiate a natural and well-earned competitive edge from relying on a 3rd party, or performance enhancement drug, to provide an unfair advantage. I can not make my points any more succinct; however, perhaps the fact Maria Sharapova was almost denied her 2006 US Open championship, because her coach was giving her hand signals will. Get it? It’s considered cheating and it’s against the rules of competition. How much clearer does it need to be for you to understand? Obviously, you have the right to believe whatever you want, but keep in mind that only makes it your reality….

P.S. I’d sure hate for you to consider me a liar; so, I will not be checking this thread again….

Todd Langer

 

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