Coaching Talent Search - Raising the Bar

The following comment was posted in response to my post on the coaching talent search:

“Are you trying to define the field by eliminating the majority of it? Looks to me a great start of a job interview.”

If anything I am trying to motivate to raise the bar. What I posted is what I expect of people that I work with, what I expect of myself and I feel should be the standard if this is to be considered a profession. There are no hidden agendas here. We need to get our act together. It is tough to find good qualified people, I hope this does not eliminate anyone, but rather motivates people to seek further know ledge and raise the bar. As far as a job interview that is what I had to do several times in my career to even be considered for a job! Take the challenge and run with it!


At 1/18/07, 1:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

When I made the above comment I really felt it eliminates a large part of the field and I will include the entire healthcare field. It should be a motivator just like you say. I expect to print it out and put it next to my computer screen as a gut check to what I need to be doing every day. An anatomy professor by the name of Bob Beck in Chicago use to say "would you go to a doctor that did not get an A in all of their anatomy classes"? It was not that grades meant everything but he expected effort to do your best and competence had better be very good. Should an athlete/patient that wants to be all that they can be really expect anything less from their therapists/coach/doc than the profile described? I would hope not but the world does seem to be all about quick fixes.

If I was to add anything to the profile I might have added a writing component but not everyone gets the opportunity.


At 1/18/07, 8:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It motivated me thank you for the guidence! I have some work to do

At 1/18/07, 9:12 PM, Blogger sportsmedguy23 said...


Did you go to UIC...I had Dr. Beck while I was in undergrad...I know he also taught at some of the other Universities around the Chicago area--I want to say he taught at National University of Health Science when it was National College of Chiropractics.

I remember hearing that very line many many times...

let me know


At 1/18/07, 11:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


That would be him! "Is that fair? Yes, I think that is more than fair" would be other lines of his - especially on tagging practicals which I loved doing for him. I thought that if I mentioned his name someone else would have had/heard him. Dr. Beck is one of my favorite profs of all time and I would not be here without him. He also did a lot of work with Spri and loved being a coach type while teaching. He was very much in the Vern/Gray mold and it sure seems he is the one that pointed some of Vern's writings to me when I was at National ('91). Vern, Did you ever meet him during your Chicago days? Anybody know where Dr. Beck is?


At 1/19/07, 9:28 AM, Blogger sportsmedguy23 said...


I'm actually still in Chicago-working at UIC, and he is now a Dean at National College of Naprapathic Medicine--one of my co-workers is going there. here is the website: http://www.naprapathicmedicine.edu/

HE was a great guy, I had him for undergrad anatomy as well as cadaver discetion course and a grad level sports medicine course. I always enjoy him and his crazy stories and great attitude in class--still remember him refering to himself as Bob Brevis and his wife as Kathy Longus when trying explain the meaning of longus and brevis...

He was a fun guy and like you said very influential on the path I took.


At 1/19/07, 11:58 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pat and Mark,

I had Dr. Beck too! Had to take the undergrad anatomy while I was getting my masters. He was a very fun guy and did his job very well.

Wow, that was weird...

Did you guys have Hickson? Do any of you know when and how he died?


At 1/19/07, 10:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


I do not know Hickson. Sorry.

It is certainly no small feat how Dr. Beck was able to teach anatomy for so many different Universities at the same time and do a helluva job of it AND travel across the country on the weekends teaching postgraduate classes. He is certainly a special educator. Maybe all of the meals he would eat at Portillios has kept him going. I am going to invite him to join us on here as I think he would be a great contributor and would enjoy the dialogue with past students (and everyone else). I know there is atleast 1 more past student that has posted on here and probably more that read but do not post. That plan will work if in the last 15 years he has gotten a little computer savvy.


At 1/20/07, 12:27 AM, Blogger sportsmedguy23 said...


I'm not postive, but I believe Prof. Hickson passed away while I was in undergrad 96-00. I'm not positive but I want to say he had cancer. I may be confussing names, but I think that is the case.

Who else did you have as professors during your time at UIC? Dr. Sattler--always a student favorite. Possibly Carol Humble?

It is such a small world. The kinesiology department has changed greatly since I was in undergrad 6-7 years ago. They eliminated alot of programs--including the athletic training program--now they have undergrad tracks in exercise science and one in fitness.

They have tried to make it more of a scientific based program. I think they are currently in the process of merging nutrition into the kinesiology program(It's called movement science now). I work right next door to the PE building in athletics and have no real interaction with Kinesiology-another change over the last few years. It's all pretty crazy.

Hope you enjoyed the trip down memory lane...lots of good people at uic and have produced many great professionals...

At 1/20/07, 7:10 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


I had one Sattler class, but did not like him. I was a bit older ( 24 y.o grad student) than most of the students and thought he was boorish and inappropriate in class (sexual comments).

Mostly I interacted with Palmer, Hickson and Oscai. Robert C. Hickson was a great one. Did great work in actual applied human physiology--trained under John Holloszy her in StL at Wash U. Had the appearance of a wacky professor, with a lab deep in the bowels of PEB filled with weights, old Monarch bikes and probably a Douglas bag or two.

I still have every article he ever made us read for class--classic ex phys studies. He was the real deal.

And so was Warren Palmer. Crusty and cynical, he was an old physical education guy who did work on fat metabolism in rats, but appreciated the entire continuum and history of physical education and human exercise physiology. Apparently he had a heart attack or two participating in Hickson's "does endurance training interfere with strength training" studies. There are not many of these people out there today. They bridged the gap between science and practice.

I did not have Carol. I think she was just hired when I graduated.

Thanks for the trip!


At 1/20/07, 11:04 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pat said

"I work right next door to the PE building in athletics and have no real interaction with Kinesiology". I understand how it can get crazy though.

Isn't that kind of like the hip not talking to the shoulder?


At 1/21/07, 12:02 AM, Blogger sportsmedguy23 said...

Kinesiology or movement science decided to go in a different direction and tried to seperate themselves from athletics as much as possible. While I was in undergrad many of the coaches in the athletic department also taught courses in Kinesiology. It was around that same time they did away with the actaul PE teaching program. It is a different set up and I think Kinesiology students are missing a great oppurtunity in working with Division I level athletes but, that's how things currently are...I wish there was that oppurtunity for the kids, especially those intersted in sports medicine, athletic training, physical therapy or strength and conditioning. The applied/clinical side of things is sometimes missed in undergrad.

Tracy Dr. Palmer team taught Anatomy & Physiology with Beck and Dr. Monroe an MD. Palmer was a little dry and I want to say he only taught the first semester before he took a more administrative role. When you talked to him one on one he was a pretty good guy and actaully pretty funny. Oscai was dean of the kinesology department for part of my stay, never really had any interaction with him, except he taught a day or two of my exercise physiology course. The place has changed a great deal and there are more changes coming especially if the 2016 olympics come to Chicago. There aren't many people left from the kinesiology department that I went through there but they are heading in a new and exciting direction...



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